Why the "giveres" plugin does NOT benefit aliens

The giveres plugin was intended to even out the difference between aliens and marines on bigger servers (marines have the advantage).

The potential of giveres is huge.
If giveres were to be used during a CW or on a server with more experienced players - it would be dreadful! Aliens would always win.

But that is not the case now, is it?

As it is now on the Alien breeder server the giveres plugin does NOT benefit aliens.


Why?

1. It supports reswhoring, by making it harder to detect, and easier to get away with. (reswhoring is one of the best ways to screw the entire round).

2. Aliens get a slower resflow. This is basically beacause of (1.), people does not use the res for RTs, or doesn't use it fast enough (running around as skulk etc) Every second early on makes a HUGE difference in the end.

3. It reduces the gaming experience and quality of the server.
It gives new players, and not-so-experienced custom/siege map players, the wrong idea. Let everyone gorge and learn how to do the dirtywork Build the RTs, where to put the DCwall, how to place your OCs to best stop a rampaging HA-rush etc.
In short - NS REQUIRES TEAMPLAY and the giveres plugin does not promote it.


Under other circumstances, maybe - But as it is now I vote for a removal of the giveres plugin.

yes it is a good idea to get rid off giveres but it also cause the problem were u dont get team players or you get total noobs who are still learning the controls the giveres command helps aliens build hives faster and also has the benfit to noob players who can give there res and see how other people play.


im for getting rid off it but its not as clean cut there a pros and cons like everything

[Dr. Moron]

my personal result of ghandis post is there are sometimes players they try to lame the game but there are so many ways to do that, removing the giveres cant stop them.

but the fact is the alien team will not survive after the door opens when the 2nd hive isent done. it is hard enough to beat the marines on some map like siege007 and protect the hallways against a heavy amor rush.

and you are right about alien wins and default maps and using the giveres, clanwar or public alien will always win the game ... but we only have custom maps in ouer cycle and the most of them are siege-maps.

i think we lose quality and fun without the giveres plugin so i see no way to remove it atm.

Sure you can't stop every way to be lame - but preventing those you can isn't bad.

To take the 007 example, what you need to defend against a HA-rush isn't a plugin - it's something rare called Teamwork :roll:

As I earlier stated, I believe the giveres plugin is in the way of Teamwork and having a good quality game.

The skill development for the players on the server would, imo, improve better without it.

... well all I can do is argue for what i belive is good, it's still your server :P

The giveres plugin was intended to even out the difference between aliens and marines on bigger servers (marines have the advantage).
I would rather say, that Aliens have a disadvantage, because their res from the small amount of RTs (compared to number of players) is splitted equally between so many players.

As it is now on the Alien breeder server the giveres plugin does NOT benefit aliens.
Bullshit

Why?

1. It supports reswhoring, by making it harder to detect, and easier to get away with. (reswhoring is one of the best ways to screw the entire round).
There are many ways to screw the game. How to ommit Your problem? Give res to someone trusted, to someone You know will build hive and RTs. First all RTs have to be done (it has to be spawned asap, not plant one, build it and then plant next, dont reswhore, build them up as fast as you can). Then hive/chambers, but MC must be placed in the corridors, so when You leap skulk or blink fade, MCs regenerate Your energy.


2. Aliens get a slower resflow. This is basically beacause of (1.), people does not use the res for RTs, or doesn't use it fast enough (running around as skulk etc) Every second early on makes a HUGE difference in the end.
Yep, bannable. The best solution would be a very complicated plugin that would give all res to the highest scored (on the stats) gorge when command issued. I don't write it, dont look at me


3. It reduces the gaming experience and quality of the server.
It gives new players, and not-so-experienced custom/siege map players, the wrong idea. Let everyone gorge and learn how to do the dirtywork Build the RTs, where to put the DCwall, how to place your OCs to best stop a rampaging HA-rush etc.
If we would disable the plugin and turn on siege007, You would see how much You can learn from such a game Trust us, its the only solution.

In short - NS REQUIRES TEAMPLAY and the giveres plugin does not promote it.
Tbh I think You are wrong and alien-breeder is not meant to promote teamplay this way (that means that I have some other idea ;P ).

I must say that I've had a rather good experience of the giveres plugin. Sure it happens that some players don't share their res....but luckily most players do. I can agree that noobs would learn much faseter how to play siege maps if we removed the plugin but wouldn't that spoil the game a little for the more experienced players...? It's a question of balance.

Originally Posted by Infected

Sure it happens that some players don't share their res....

BAN BAN BAN!! Kicked one or two assholes today, tbh I need giveres sources to make amx_admin_steal_res command to solve the problem easily when admin is on the server.

Originally Posted by Reef

BAN BAN BAN!! Kicked one or two assholes today, tbh I need giveres sources to make amx_admin_steal_res command to solve the problem easily when admin is on the server.

amx_admin_make_res FTW :lol:

Reef:
1) Sure you describe how you need teamwork on a siege map, but i don't see how that goes against my argument? Rather in favour of it since giveres doesn't support teamwork very well.

2) "Yep, bannable." Wohoooo victory only prob is when an admin isn't around :roll:

3) Well ofcourse, tell someone who hasn't gone gorge once to build your defenses and it will probably suck.
Isn't the whole idea of NATURAL SELECTION the survival of the fittes ?
:twisted:
Well let them gorge, lose and learn. It's the hard way but probably the best, quickest and easiest. It shouldn't take long before people gets the basic idea.

... and that last part

Tbh I think You are wrong and alien-breeder is not meant to promote teamplay this way (that means that I have some other idea ;P ).

... someone might get the idea that you does not support teamplay :roll:

Isn't there a plugin that can steal res...for the admins? :P


Ghandi I think you have a point about that giveres don't support teamwork...but the problem is that good teamwork is very rare these days




I just came up with an idéa......Why don't the alien breeder transform this server or make another server that are only for registered people? .....That would be a little more private, and teamwork would work better I think... :P

Though I don't know if you even can make a server that can block ppl that's not a member. Maybe the server computer can't handle 2 servers at once...aa wth just a thought.