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Old 26-04-06, 09:07
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Post Onos classic map FAQ

Hi all!


Some tips for ONOS players on classic map:

If you want be an onos, rush + kill as skulk and if team do a great job and you kill many marines you will onos about on 10-15 min when 2. hive is up and maybe the 3. hive is locked by marines. Marines maybe have motion, lvl1-2 a/w, hmg/gl, but maybe close the ha/jp (if have good commander)

The first mistake as onos player: try to get back 3. hive or attack marine base = die.

The first onos most important thing to need to do: DESTROY close to ALL MARINE Resource Towers (RTs). If they do, marines have few res and easy to get 3. hive. Also onos needed 1-2 helpers but not blocking helpers.

If close to all RTs down, 3 tactics:

1. Onos rush to marine base and try to destroy advanced armory -> maybe commander do beacon -> other aliens try to get back the 3. hive place.

2. MC rush: one of hero gorge build the 3. hive -> turret/marines shot a hive -> all aliens use MC to teleport to attacked, locked hive place. (If marines build 1-2 sieges to hive + radar = hive will destroyed automaticaly about 15-25 sec without marine help) Before a gorge build hive need to see: have sieges?

3. Simply attack from 2-3 way to 3. hive. This is a hardest: all marines use PG and maybe about 80% or marines will camp at locked hive = big firepower + fast die

Onos important to-do list:
  • Kill ASAP all marine RTs
  • When attack marines kill the closest PG first, next TF, next radar. When onos attack PG save energy for 2-3 hit if marines incoming from PG onos need to kill the newcomers I like to eat/devour a first marine, other marines kill by claws.
  • When many marine close + fades/lerk helpers: stomp a lot to block and others kill the marines
Upgrades / configs:
  • Safe onos: celerity+redept+scent of fear (first onos must be on classic)
  • Safe camper onos: celerity+redept+cloak (marines hate this)
  • Safe fragger onos: silent+redept+cloak (marines hate too this)
  • Deadly fragger onos: celerity+capricance+scent of fear (hard to alive a group of HMGs)
  • Strongest onos: celerity+capricance+focus (not recommended)
  • JP killer onos: celerity+redept+focus (need jump+devour/claw experience)
  • Building destroyer onos: adrenaline+regen+scent of fear (great with a group of gorges)
This day as "safe onos" I do on ns_eclipse 50+ frag and 2 die as onos with 2 hive only (celerity+redept). I was redepted about 20 times... Sometimes with 140 hp, but was 35 and 2 (!) hp too. And when I die 2 times I rush to alone vs 6-8 hmgs and don't use stomp. I made a mistake and the "god of redept" don't help me... But I learned a lot! We win, marines relocated to 3. hive place at start and we back it at the end of game. At this game aliens haven't got SCs and win. I used this tactics what I wrote to it.

Remember / tips:
  • onos is close attacker - at long halls -vs- HMGs = DIE/redept. Onos is a best at small corners and small rooms. If you onos try to move /attack only this places. (like JP room at ns_siege007 = not onos war area)
  • Onos mostly lone wolf - attack as alone = no alien blocking. Try to kill marines who is same "lone wolf" = easy kills, great defense for skulks/gorges.
  • Redept = backup, new chance. Use redept, but play as you think: if 0 hp I die. Don't want to be use a redept. Try to alive without redept. If you 70% or more damaged go to regeneration place: close to hive, DC, gorge like Dest
  • Attack only when you are full health. My experience: redept will only help when before you start attack you was 100%. If I use this rule I 20/19 times alive the attack and redept to hive. If I start attack with damage - 70-90% hp = I redept only 20/10 times.
  • Make fake attacks: move close to marine base and do many stomps or kill 1-2 marine and run away to safe place.
  • When marines rush to hive attack from back. Hard and many times to move to position to attack from back but very effective. (I sometimes can kill 10+ marines from back when I'm mostly use claws and others attack from front too. Marines mostly see to front, not back.)
  • Try to runaway when you damaged more than 50%! Marines will be more shot and if you have luck you can move to safe place without redept.
  • If you the first onos on the game play as safe, kill marine objects first! Don't want to be a biggest fragger -> you will die.
  • If no 2. hive building finished/started think about it: wait or build a 2. hive. Onos with MC only = maybe die = waste of resources. Onos with DC = workable but slow onos = maybe die. Onos with SC = most workable but close to die. Wait or build hive.
  • Don't attack at big halls the marine who have JPs. Run Forest run!
  • Don't rush marine base alone if more than 3 marine at base! Go back later!
  • Don't attack more than 5 marine as alone! Little chance to alive and you waste a lot of res. Try to terminate a little group of marines.
Teams, think about it: better a 2. hive at 14 min + 1 good onos than 2. hive at 12 min and no onos -> loose game. I think a good onos/fade players need to save resources to be an onos/fade and others need to build hive/rt/chambers first. I see many first onos to die without kill/object destroy but no 2. hive. If you not good onos player, learn to play as siege map = have many res to be many times onos + can learn to close to full upgraded marines to kill. If you not expert onos first games don't be onos at classic, try to be a great gorge/lerk/skulk/fade. Better the hive + OCs for the team than 1 onos die without kill. At classic map is more easier than siege: maybe when you are the first onos = marines don't have jp/ha and easy to do many kills and help to team. Marines runaway when they see the Onos : )

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I will be put more same tutorials:
  • Onos siege map FAQ
  • Skulk classic/siege FAQ
  • Lerk classic/siege FAQ
  • Fade classic/siege FAQ.
I don't make a Commander FAQ: Unsichtbar say me I'm a bad commander. But maybe be in right. He or Redstorm is far better commander than me.


Have a nice Day,
MoTi
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Old 26-04-06, 11:08
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nice work, i generally suck as onos, so need all the tips i can get
any hints on proper use of devour? i always mess that up and end up
having to use primary attack to kill marines.....
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Old 26-04-06, 12:57
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There is one more onos setup and technique.

The Devour-and-Run Onos: Adenaline + Carapace + Scent of Fear

The technique is to use charge, see your prey with scent of fear, come around the corner and devour the victim, and run away. By the time this has happened the rest of the marines in the group would not have realised want has happened.

While you are digesting your victim, stomp the other rines once charge has ended and your energy is fully recharged, at this point let the other aliens hit the rines, if there are two MCs near you, you can stomp indefinitly.

This is a high risk option, but if played well it is very deadly.
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Old 26-04-06, 16:29
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Nice info And with Onos I prefer the Carapace-Adrenaline-Focus/Scent Of Fear-devour/gore but I also like those psyochtoic rushes to a marine outpost, just running around and using gore and destroying everything in my way, then when they are buy to weld everything they will get another little visit (If the comm doesnt send GL´s and HA´s)
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Old 28-04-06, 03:04
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Oh oh... I gotta make a Gorge guide
whit that in mind, and mind me bragin IM THE BEST GORGE I KNOW!!!
hehe
gj moti...
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Old 29-04-06, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Eletro Bull
There is one more onos setup and technique.

The Devour-and-Run Onos: Adenaline + Carapace + Scent of Fear

The technique is to use charge, see your prey with scent of fear, come around the corner and devour the victim, and run away. By the time this has happened the rest of the marines in the group would not have realised want has happened.

While you are digesting your victim, stomp the other rines once charge has ended and your energy is fully recharged, at this point let the other aliens hit the rines, if there are two MCs near you, you can stomp indefinitly.

This is a high risk option, but if played well it is very deadly.
Eletro Bull, I think the "The Devour-and-Run Onos": CELERITY + regen + Scent of Fear

with celerity you can run in + eat and run out at long hall. Adrenaline is SLOW for me
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Old 29-04-06, 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GISP
Oh oh... I gotta make a Gorge guide
whit that in mind, and mind me bragin IM THE BEST GORGE I KNOW!!!
hehe
gj moti...
Yes GISP, you are one of best gorge, you build as smart and help to teammates. And you are very good skulk warrior too, I remember what yuo do at 1 hour long ns_blast match... You killed many times a group of HA/JPs as a little skulk... It was very nice
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Old 29-04-06, 21:44
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Moti i don't thing if you are gona devour me as onos and i have jetpack you will never devour me.

before you devore me i will kill you easily with a shotgun (my favorite weapon in classic) and with some help of mates we would kill you with lmg (if we got weapon up lvl 2) so onos is a bad thing in classic on alienbreeder cose there are too many guys on the server (14vs15) so you have only a chance to get rines if there is a noob team else you die imediatly .

The best thing you can do is go fade (if you have sense with focus) with celerity and carapace then you can kill 2 or 3 marines at once.


sorry for my english and my manners iam very very drunken now
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Old 29-04-06, 22:17
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cele + capa + cloaking = best onos
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Old 29-04-06, 23:08
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Wink as onos is impossible = great chance to learn

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Originally Posted by the-hunter
Moti i don't thing if you are gona devour me as onos and i have jetpack you will never devour me.

before you devore me i will kill you easily with a shotgun (my favorite weapon in classic) and with some help of mates we would kill you with lmg (if we got weapon up lvl 2) so onos is a bad thing in classic on alienbreeder cose there are too many guys on the server (14vs15) so you have only a chance to get rines if there is a noob team else you die imediatly .

The best thing you can do is go fade (if you have sense with focus) with celerity and carapace then you can kill 2 or 3 marines at once.


sorry for my english and my manners iam very very drunken now
OK, but I like to play onos and I try the impossible...

This day as onos I died 3 times and killed 40+ marines who have full upgrades, HA/JP hmg+gl on classic map called ns_lost... As fade I cannot can do this now. Many very pro fade have on server...
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